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#46 Both/And Reunion

Jason & I reunite after 17 months to catch up and reflect on the sensemaking/meta/liminal web.

 

Jason & I reunite after 17 months of Both/And hiatus. In our wide-ranging chat, we talk about what we've been up to and how our perspectives of the sensemaking/meta/liminal web have changed.

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#45 Both/And Awards

Jason & I come back one more time to catch up & give out 5 awards each to stand-out Both/And episodes.

 

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#44 Q&A, Hiatus & the Future

Jason & I talk about Both/And's hiatus, the sensemaking web, memetic mediation, locality, spirituality, our friendship, politics, the future & more.

 

Jason & I talk about Both/And's hiatus, the sensemaking web, podcasting as a medium, memetic mediation, local community, going 'meta', spirituality, their friendship, COVID, contemporary Vajrayana Buddism, their political triggers, the meta/integral left, GameB, thank you's, the Both/And awards, and more.

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Jason's article, The Psychodynamics of Memetic Mediation

My new Podcast

Stoa Session with Charlie & Me

Twitter Questions

Joe Brewer

The Unsettling of America by Wendell Berry

Where the Crawdads Sing by Delia Owens

Sand Talk by Tyson Yunkaporta

The Jim Rutt Show (JRS) & The Wright Show

JRS EP63 Michel Bauwens on P2P & Commons

Tyson Yunkaporta on JRS, Part 1 & Part 2

Aro gTér Buddhism

Charlie Awbery

Unified Mindfulness

Culadasa

Growing Down Podcast with Jeremy Johnson and Ryan Nakade

B/A #42 The Ever-Present with Jeremy Johnson 


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#43 Embracing the Dark

We talk with the Light Dark Institute founder, Leslie Rogers about his dark awakening, light vs dark personal work, mythopoetic power, collapse, death, pain as pleasure, & more.

 

Jason & I talk with Leslie Rogers about what led him to start the Light Dark Institute, being in a sex cult, kink & BDSM, his dark awakening, personality & identity transformation, dark desires, the difference between light & dark personal work, orgasmic meditation & other influences on Leslie's practices, tantra, archetypes & deities, pleasure, healing & processing, triggering & mythopoetic power, tribal psycho technologies, nonduality, Jared's inner cynic, civilization collapse & catastrophe, death, pain as pleasure, humiliation, stoicism, and more.

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#42 The Ever-Present

We talk with Jeremy Johnson about Jean Gebser’s work — time, integral consciousness & evolution, limits of abstraction, spiritual themes, meta-theories, & more.

 

Jason & I talk with Jeremy Johnson about what led to his interest in Jean Gebser, the nebulosity of time, non-linear consciousness evolution & developmental theory, Gebser's poetic disposition & extraordinary writing style, the un-perspectival world, integral consciousness, the limits of intellect & complex abstraction, the ever-present, mythical consciousness, pattern & nebulosity, wholeness & the spiritual elements of Gebser's work, process orientation vs systemization, maps as living systems, comparing Gebser's view to Integral levels, the danger of meta-theories, the value of pop art, and more.

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In this episode of Both/And

Mutations Podcast

Jeremy's Patreon

Jeremy's book, Seeing Through the World

Liminal Magazine

The Ever-Present Origin by Jean Gebser

The Phenomenon of Man by Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

The Progress of This Storm by Andreas Malm

Jeremy's Side View article, Meta, Modern

Small Arcs of Larger Circles by Nora Bateson

Twitter Questions

Figuring by Maria Popova

Seeing That Frees by Rob Burbea


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#41 Simpol Global Action

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#41 Simpol Global Action

We talk with John Bunzl about why he started Simpol & how it enables global cooperation, UN target failures, partisanship, biomimicry, diversity & locality, & more.

 

Jason & I talk with John Bunzl about why he started Simpol & how it enables global cooperation, his multi-issue approach to global issues, UN target failures, first-mover criteria, the democratic accountability strategy, partisanship, global pandemic preparation, efficiency vs resilience, power in metrics, cooperative competition, biomimicry in Simpol, Simpol's history & progress, the role of the nation-state, regional cooperation, diversity & locality, tyranny, getting involved, and more. (recorded 4/21/20)

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Simpol

The Stoa

Twitter Questions

Simpol Policy Information Pack

The SIMPOL SOLUTION Book


 
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#40 Humility, Spirituality & Q&A

We talk about humility, Patreon, embodiment, nonduality & enlightenment, guru abuse, emerging modern spirituality, & more.

 

Jason & I talk about humility, memetic mediation, Patreon goals & perks, acting from uncertainty, embodiment & trauma/baggage, map vs territory, individual vs group development, mindfulness, compassion, nonduality & enlightenment, tantric practice, guru abuse, emerging modern spirituality & the limitations of intellect, the void, subtle sensations & the brilliance of the mundane, constructed cognition, what we're both concentrated on at the moment, and more.

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Both/And Patreon

The Stoa

Jared's The Good, the True, the Beautiful Series

Twitter Questions

B/A: #39 Enabling Collaboration with Richard Bartlett

Bodhidave Tweet

Guided Christian Centering Prayer

Rob Burbea


 
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#39 Enabling Collaboration

We talk with Richard Bartlett about local & digital collaboration, experimentation vs abstraction, mythopoetics, mediators & ambassadors, digital communitas, & more.

 

Jason & I talk with Richard Bartlett about what led to his interest in group dynamics, quarantine in Italy, local vs digital collaboration, social enterprise, metamodernism & an action-oriented critique, rivalrous dynamics, the commons, experimentation vs abstraction, GameB, hierarchies, efficiency vs resilience, counter-cultural group dysfunctions, the economic purity delusion, mythopoetic cultural influence, the meta-tribe, memetic mediators & ambassadors, connecting elements of COVID-19, digital/complexity natives, creating digital communitas, and more.

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Enspiral | Loomio | The Hum | Microsolidarity.cc

Elinor Ostrom's 8 Principles for Managing A Commmons

On Leaving the Church of Social Justice

Jim Rutt

Queer Eye

B/A: #37 Dancing with COVID with Sarah McManus

Twitter Question

Jack Murphy

Memetic Mediators Slack

B/A: #22 Meta-Rationality & Sexuality with Jessica

Rebel Wisdom: Predicting the Pandemic, Nora Bateson, Joe Brewer & Jim Rutt

The Stoa


 
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#38 Nurturing Intellect

We talk with Anna Gat about her Interintellect (I.I.) project, adjusting to quarantine, unification in global crisis, enabling constraints, leadership & more.

 

Jason & I talk with Anna Gat about her background & the Interintellect (I.I.), the structure of I.I. salons & how they're adjusting to COVID-19, uncovering our true social needs in quarantine, local vs virtual community, unifying dynamics of global crisis, COVID paradoxes & artifacts, redefining extraordinary & genius, enabling constraints, adversity, governance, memetic mediation, our tribal histories, leadership, what Anna is working on now, and much more.

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In this episode of Both/And

The Interintellect

Anna's article, Good Life

Article on COVID Responsibility, You’re Part of History Now

Anna's article, As We May Adult

B/A #6 Thriving in Modernity with Euvie Ivanova

Richard Bartlett

Peter Limberg


 
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#37 Dancing with COVID

We talk with Sarah McManus about her emotional & psychological experience of contracting COVID-19 while in self-quarantine, emotional processing, cultural platforms, & much more.

 

Jason & I talk with Sarah McManus about her background, her emotional & psychological experience of contracting COVID-19, her ayahuasca shamanic apprenticeship in Peru, helplessness, emotional processing, the Bio-Emotive Framework, Buddhist practices & traditions, suffering, building & integrating new cultural platforms, reframing human development, pandemic fragility, learnings from Burning Man, dynamics of self-isolation, moving forward, chaos, order, and much more.

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In this episode of Both/And

Sarah's Roam Page

Twitter Questions

Human Age on Twitter

Neural Annealing: Toward a Neural Theory of Everything

Clean Up, Wake Up, Grow Up with Ken Wilber

Doug Tataryn

Already Free by Bruce Tift

INVISIBILIA Podcast: The Reluctant Immortalist

Star Trek The Next Generation S1E2

B/A: #35 Erotic Potential with Debby Friday

Nora Bateson on the Emerge Podcast

Game B

The Context Institute - videos on cultural operating systems

Spiral Dynamics

Collaborative "nucleation sites"

Cultures and cultural platforms

The Circles Maps

The Egg by Andy Weir

The Stoa

Anis Mojgani performs Shake the Dust


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#36 Twitter Q&A, Tragedy & Transformation

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#36 Q&A, Tragedy & Transformation

Answering Twitter questions on bio-regeneration, mindfulness vs neurotic emotional responses to CV, fragility, tribal exposure & apprenticeship, our contemplative practices & more.

 

Jason & I answer Twitter questions and cover bio-regenerational orientations, COVID-19 induced mindfulness, tragedy & transformation, emotional escape & capture vs wholistic engagement, pluralistic food systems, the potential of minority rule, the role of the curator, the fragility of capitalist systems, future forcing functions, collecting & utilizing mental models, kinetic & meta tribes, skin in the game, learning through failure, tribal exposure & apprenticeship, Jason & Jared's contemplative practices, and more.

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In this episode of Both/And

Twitter Questions

#13 Problematizing Food Systems with Stephanie White

#35 Erotic Potential with Debby Friday

Nassim Taleb on Minority Rule

Donella Meadows' Leverage Points Paper

Donella Meadows' Dancing With Systems

The Patterning Instinct by Jeremy Lent

Jim Rutt

Jason's article, Integrating Mindfulness & Self-Inquiry

Jared's Guided Meditation on The Stoa

Jared's Death Session on The Stoa

Email Both/And


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#35 Erotic Potential

We talk with Debby Friday about her quarantine, the erotic, performance, CV impact on artists, death, tantra, creativity, ritual, the church of social justice & more.

 

Jason & I talk with musician, artist & writer Debby Friday about reflecting in quarantine, how she sees the erotic as a lifeforce, embodiment & performance, COVID-19 impact on touring artists & what Debby has been doing while social distancing, cultural habit, virus as a ghost, death denial & death drive, tantric practice, creativity, pop music, the power of ritual, the church of social justice, evoking spirit & much more.

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Debby's Blog, CRACKING CLOSER

Debby's Article, TOGETHER, ALWAYS TOGETHER

Sabina Spielrein

Dave Chappelle Acceptance Speech

Debby Friday Tracks in episode

INDULGE ME, VOID & AMOR FATI from BITCHPUNK

FATAL from DEATH DRIVE


 
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#34 Reimagining Religion

We talk with Nathan Spears about his journey from religion to atheism and back again, Orthodox Christianity, John Vervaeke, perennial philosophy & more.

 

Jason & I talk with Nathan Spears about his journey from religion to atheism and back again, Orthodox Christianity, modernizing religion, Vervaeke's four ways of knowing, the value of Christian language & story, bridging phenomenology & epistemology, the dynamics of belief, attention & intention, perennial philosophy, the body of Christ, and much more.

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In this episode of Both/And

Nathan on Twitter

Cognitive Science & the Sacred with Vervaeke & Pageau

God & Relevance Realization with Vervaeke & Pageau

Dominion by Tom Holland

#15 Being a Baha'i Creative with Samah Tokmachi

The Cloud of Unknowing

The Mind Illuminated by John Yates

Enneagram of Personality

Hammering Hot Iron by Charles Upton

People Mentioned

David ChapmanJohn VervaekeDaniel ThorsonCollin MorrisJordan HallGuy SengstockJonathan PageauShinzen YoungDavid Bentley Hart


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#33 Chat & Twitter Q&A

Jason & I chat about our supporters, Both/And, spiritual practice, the 'self', embodied cognition, bioregional living, fluid politics, how Jason & Jared disagree, and much more.

 

Jason & I have a wide-ranging chat about our podcast supporters, how Both/And could evolve, informal vs formal spiritual practice, stream-entry & the path of awakening, exploring perspectives of the 'self', embodied cognition, enactivism, memetic mediation, bioregional living, collapse, xenophobia vs diversity, the future of localism, psychological/cultural development, fluid politics, silence, vulnerability, how Jason & Jared disagree, and much more.

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In this episode of Both/And

Twitter Questions

Jason's article, Integrating Mindfulness & Self-Inquiry

Mind In Life by Evan Thompson

The Side View

Peter Linberg

Memetic Mediation Slack Group

#32 Regenerating Earth with Joe Brewer

OODA Loop

Elinor Ostrom's 8 Principles for Managing A Commmons

Jeremy Johnson

#23 Integral Psych & Culture with Mark Forman

The Imperfect Buddha | Daniel Ingram on Integral Theory

The Musing Mind Podcast

#31 Conscious Evolution with Rob Cobbold

The Jim Rutt Show


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#32 Regenerating Earth

We talk with Joe Brewer about perception/embodiment, abstraction & duality, trauma, conceptual frames, the invisible regenerative revolution, acting bioregionally & more.

 

Jason & I talk with Joe Brewer about the impact of conceptuality on perception & embodiment, the impossibility of understanding planetary collapse & what that means, getting lost in abstraction & duality, personal & ecological trauma, making & breaking conceptual frames, cancerous human thinking, the invisible regenerative revolution, the dynamics of coercion, top-down vs bottom-up regeneration, ecological succession, sustainable life-systems, acting bioregionally, and more!

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Cargo Cults

Dr. Zachary Stein

The Century of the Self

Joanna Macy

Twitter Questions

Donella Meadows' Leverage Points Paper

Joe's Earth Regenerator Group


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#31 Conscious Evolution

We talk with Rob Cobbold about what led him to Conscious Evolution, antinatalism, spirituality, consciousness, global governance, alt currencies, societal future, & much more.

 

Jason & I talk with Rob Cobbold about what led him to orient his life towards Conscious Evolution & what its core components are, the shortsightedness of antinatalism, spirituality & dualism, consciousness & ethics, limits of materialism & rationality, global governance, money, debt & interest, alternative currencies, societal flourishing, collapse & much more.

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In this episode of Both/And

Meta Twitter Thread

John Stewart

Sex, Ecology, Spirituality by Ken Wilber

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Robert M Pirsig

Simpol.org

Rob's Curious Bodhi Interview

Elinor Ostrom's 8 Principles for Managing A Commmons

Joe Brewer

Earfh.com


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#30 Aesthetic Embodiment

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#30 Aesthetic Embodiment

We talk with Rachel Haywire about her presidential candidacy, art & philosophy, the memetic tribal landscape, memes & aesthetics, embodiment & pain/suffering, VR & much more!

 

Jason & I talk with Rachel Haywire about her presidential candidacy, what led her to art & philosophy, the art right, her view of the memetic tribal landscape, the power of memes, her critique on Jared & Jason's meta tribe, the role & power of aesthetics, psychic fascism, the challenges & benefits of embodiment, pain & suffering, spiritual materialism, embodied VR, politics as aesthetic, tribal immune systems, memetic fashion, the 'NPC' meme, transgressive arts, and much more!

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Haywire2020.com

Trigger Warning

Jason on Embodiment Practice

Unified Mindfulness

The Eternal Retreat

Twitter Questions

Avant Design

Thus Spoke Zarathustra


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#29 Reducing Suffering

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#29 Reducing Suffering

We talk with Evan Sandhoefner about utilitarianism, pluralistic ethics, suffering & how it may affect animals & humans differently, consciousness, ethical meat production, & much more.

 

Jason & I talk with Evan Sandhoefner about what led him to utilitarianism & effective altruism, the flexibility of utilitarianism & some critiques, pluralistic virtue ethics, whether suffering is necessary & how it may affect animals & humans differently, whether we should remove wild predators to prevent animal suffering, creating unintentional animal suffering, consciousness, ethical meat production & factory farming, localism, universal explainers vs computers, intelligence, and more.

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In this episode of Both/And

Givewell

David Pearce

David Deutsch

Twitter Questions

The Beginning of Infinity by David Deutsch

Mind in Life by Evan Thompson

The Ego Tunnel by Thomas Metzinger

Metzinger & Harris Podcast: The Nature of Consciousness

Evan's Blog


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#28 Grokking Holochain

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